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ChrisB
Co-Lord President
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 20 Sep 2015 : 05:55:12
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Nice to see the dalek variations, and relieved the dreaded Paradigy whatsit versions have been banished for ever
Shame all the old ones including the Special Weapons, were replicas, but they all seemed to look OK on screen.
The plot. For me, over-complicated. I love Capaldi's Doctor. But the Master (or Mistress) is now best chums with the Doc? Roger Delgado, where are you when we need you?
I'm still confused as to who the core audience is nowadays. Doctor Who used to be an early evening children's serial, which Mum and Dad would often watch with their kids.
Is it now purely aimed at intelligent teens and adults, with the hope that the younger children will just watch because they like Peter, and seeing things blown up, and love the Daleks?
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Regeneration
Timelord
United Kingdom
413 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2015 : 08:51:37
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I don't think the word intelligent is appropriate to anything this series is aimed at lol.
Oh no, Clara is dead, oh the horror, oh the drama... rewind, did I say drama... silly me all the characters in MoffatWho are like 'Kenny' from... what's that programme called? Almost as forgettable as Dr Who.
I can't accept 'Missy' as a crossdressing Master, but taken as a character in her own right she's pretty good, certainly well acted.
Ironic how the Dalek sent to escort Missy and the other one into the city is the one Dalek in that whole crowd who can't move outside its confines. Sloppy. 4 out of 10 for the scenery. |
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Trevor54
Creator of Small Daleks
Turkmenistan
1471 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2015 : 13:39:52
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If the Doctor made Davros, did he, indirectly, also make the Daleks, through Davros' back-engineering the sonic screwdriver tech?
Nice to see some new comments on this site BTW. |
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The Saint
Obtained a Time Capsule
74 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 05:11:25
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| I tuned in in the vain hope that things were going to be better this series, instead they are worse. What a mess !! The main problem with Capaldi's Doctor is that he is written as though he is still Matt Smith, no wonder Capaldi still claims he has not yet gotten under the skin of the part. 4.58 million viewers tuned in 2m. down on last seasons opener. Time for a massive rethink, methinks 3/10 |
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ChrisB
Co-Lord President
United Kingdom
1689 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 11:42:09
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Seems to me that, as soon as Russell TD handed Mr M the keys to the series, Mr M really wanted to stamp his name on the show, and make BIG changes wherever he could.
And when you have that power, of course you can do that. But you do it at your peril.
I have greatly enjoyed several Matt Smith episodes, but got completely lost on many. I was horrified when Mr M decided he knew better than Ray Cusick and thought he could redesign the Daleks horribly and get away with it.
He also changed the Cybermen, when there was really nothing wrong with Russell T's new versions, but, I suppose they changed in every episode of the classic series, so I can't knock him for that. And when you've got to be different...
I'm quite surprised the Tardis is still a Police Box. Though perhaps I shouldn't speak too soon.
All that said, I have to remind myself that Doctor Who is on the telly again. That fact alone is pretty great and amazing |
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duralinium1
Chancellor
United Kingdom
520 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2015 : 18:59:34
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| the dalek outside the city.is the only dalek that couldn't be outside the city! |
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ChrisB
Co-Lord President
United Kingdom
1689 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2015 : 08:26:42
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Originally posted by duralinium1
the dalek outside the city.is the only dalek that couldn't be outside the city!
Clearly nobody who knows much about Dalek history is involved with production.
I doubt Nick Briggs, who would know, would have dared challenge the almighty. |
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duralinium1
Chancellor
United Kingdom
520 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2015 : 14:27:27
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| u probably right, can't correct the great and the good! even if they're totally wrong |
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AndrewKnight
Companion
United Kingdom
175 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2015 : 14:12:51
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| My love of Doctor Who has always stemmed from my fascination with the main character. Admittedly I struggled with his terse attitude last year, but now he's just fantastic! |
A cosmos without The Doctor scarcely bears thinking about... |
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ChrisB
Co-Lord President
United Kingdom
1689 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2015 : 09:45:04
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Yes I have to agree that Peter C is a perfect choice for the part. They had seemed to be going for younger and younger, and I was worried we'd end up with Justin Bieber.
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AndrewKnight
Companion
United Kingdom
175 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2015 : 17:50:37
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... starring in The Junior Brain of Morbius.
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A cosmos without The Doctor scarcely bears thinking about... |
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Liberator
Vervoid Salad Chef
United Kingdom
1410 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2015 : 08:19:29
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For me, this was a welcome return to form. I'd been worried as, bar a handful of episodes/moments, I still hadn't taken to the 12th Doctor or his adventures. I like Peter Capaldi's adapted take and it was nice to get some genuine surprises and a decent story to kick things off. True, not everyone has taken to Missy but I think she's fab and love Michelle Gomez's portrayal.
And you know what? I can kind of see why Missy/The Master and the Doctor would have been old friends. Despite all the terrible things he'd done. The 3rd Doctor still regularly paid visits to the Master in prison (the Sea Devils) and maybe the Masters plans always failed because despite it all, he never really wanted to kill the Doctor.
I also thought we had a good cliffhanger and I for one can't wait for tonight's episode. Something I've not been able to say for a couple of years now  |
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Mark42
Newly Generated
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Sep 2015 : 12:14:03
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My biggest problem is now thinking that Davros had the Doctors Sonic Screwdriver on his person for all these years and past adventures and never mentioned it to the Doctor once....he just remembers now.!!
Where exactly did Davros have this hidden away? Was it lost somewhere in his hoverchair, or rammed up his backside!
But of course we are not supposed to think about it making sense, just sit back and enjoy the lazy writing by a writer who clearly thinks he's better than he actually is. Was there any real story here, or just a series of set pieces. As with most of this show it seems to consist of visual gags/ideas/stunts to hold the viewers attention rather than have a decent script. This time we had hands coming out of the ground, followed by airlines hanging in the sky, followed by the Doctor riding a tank, the Doctor in Davros's hoverchair drinking a cup of tea, Clara hanging from a rope? why?
Just like last years Cybermen climbing from graves, the Moon hatching, trees growing in London, etc just think of an outlandish image and write something to justify it .... not that you really have to write anything sensible that obeys the rules of simple basic science, or even the very bendable rules of plain old science fiction, no Doctor Who is beyond all that and now rests in the wacky fantasy world of Harry-Potter-land. Starting with titles like 'The Magician's Apprentice' and then having hands with eyes coming out of the ground (WTF) followed by a great alien character that then dis-robes to reveal he's a big snake with lots of little snakes... a great character for Harry Potter not for a Science Fiction show. Doctor Who is now just science-magic, just wave the magic Sonic wand and anything can happen. Press a little button and airplanes all over the World just stop, press another and we're in the 12th century, its all so simple these days with zero tension.
As for writing, was there really much of a plot in this 2-part 90-minute story? Davros and his Daleks are not in good condition so they 'invite'/kidnap the Doctor and then have a nice friendly chat to him in the hope that he will slip up and give Davros a bit of his regeneration energy. Which he does because he 'knows' its all a trick and that it will backfire on Davros because of the effects it will have on the almost dead Dalek residue in the sewers ....... what in the sewers? The semi-dead Daleks stuff that was introduced to us 25-minutes before it was required to fix the plot and that I can't remember ever hearing about in 51-years of watching Who! (Rather like giving the Cybermen the ability to fly after 50-years so that they can fly into the evil clouds and destroy them in the last series).
New series, but same old tosh that we have had for the last five or so years.
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duralinium1
Chancellor
United Kingdom
520 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2015 : 18:50:55
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| tosh, worse, boring tosh! Next weeks looks fun tho, I love undersea base stories, reminds me of the 60s base under siege stories |
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The Saint
Obtained a Time Capsule
74 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2015 : 07:13:11
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| Watching the latest Doctor Who is like watching a much respected Uncle making a complete ASS. of himself. Very depressing. 1/10 |
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Regeneration
Timelord
United Kingdom
413 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2015 : 16:22:34
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| I'm the Doctor, I have a cup of tea, don't ask how I got it, I'm the Doctor. And that, my dear friends sums up the mindless drivel that is MoffatWho. This isn't Dr Who why don't they just call it something else and stop defiling the memory of a cherished programme? |
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dalek501
Mastered Materializing
United Kingdom
40 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2015 : 10:45:29
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While there was a lot wrong with things in the story... Why didn't the Daleks just hover away from the sewer Daleks, for example?
The one thing that we HAVE seen before... sort of... is the sewer Daleks themselves. Don't forget we have seen a Kaled mutant 'on the loose' in Destiny. |
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AndrewKnight
Companion
United Kingdom
175 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2015 : 17:36:30
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| Who are some of you guys, anyway? You hide behind anonymous screen names just to pour scorn on the work of others. Some forums insist on real names only and I can see why. Say something constructive or don't bother. |
A cosmos without The Doctor scarcely bears thinking about... |
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duralinium1
Chancellor
United Kingdom
520 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2015 : 19:25:07
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| impossible to say anything positive about this cr*p, sincerely, David Tulley |
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Liberator
Vervoid Salad Chef
United Kingdom
1410 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 02:23:36
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*Pokes head above parapet*
Well I liked it. 
Yes, it was a bit of a disappointment after the expectations of the first episode but far from being an abomination (in my opinion only of course). Did no one else get a tingle up the spine seeing 60's Daleks gliding through corridors reminiscent of the original Dalek city?
Some disappointment in the uneven characatisation of Clara I must admit. First episode, she's cleverer than anyone else in UNIT and able to suss out the frozen aircraft situation in a couple of minutes. This week, dumb enough to do anything Missy tells her too! I also wasn't keen on Davros opening his eyes. He suddenly became a man in a mask and you have to kind of wonder that, if his eyes look undamaged and seem to work fine, why bother with the eye in the forehead all these years?
I do see why it annoys some of you guys. The cup of tea business was most definitely a dig at anyone who hoped for solid storytelling and no plot holes. But although I've mostly focused on the negatives above, I still found it an enjoyable 45 minutes of Doctor Who. I loved everything Michelle Gomez brought to the role of Missy, Julian Bleach was excellent as Davros and I finally see what all the fuss is about with Peter Capaldi. I'm getting a few 4th Doctor vibes from his performance now, which for me is no bad thing
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Whoviansdelight
Protector of Zygons
Australia
1351 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 04:32:34
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| Totally loved both episodes.. the reveal of the boy as Davros was a OMG moment and just like the 2005 episode Dalek, I started to feel really sorry for Davros during his discussion with the Dr while locked away.. He almost had me till just like that it was torn away when he revealed his real plan.. The mix of Daleks new and old, the original corridor styles, Davros out of his chair all wonderful things to see. oh and creepy snake man.. honestly even though there was a little drivel, even Missy shone though she will just be missy never the master in my mind.. that just is plain rubbish.. |
 Zygons Rule ** Thank you for bringing them back***
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ChrisB
Co-Lord President
United Kingdom
1689 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 05:34:44
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To all of you.
I'm really pleased we've got a discussion going.
With every episode, some will love it, some just about put up with it, and some hate it.
And that's what boards like RichardWho are all about. Its what keeps this site alive.
Keep it going, and on behalf of Richard, thankyou |
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AndrewKnight
Companion
United Kingdom
175 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 08:43:54
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Originally posted by ChrisB
To all of you.
I'm really pleased we've got a discussion going.
With every episode, some will love it, some just about put up with it, and some hate it.
And that's what boards like RichardWho are all about. Its what keeps this site alive.
Keep it going, and on behalf of Richard, thankyou
That's very magnanimous of you Chris, but I do think some people are coming here to vent their spleen without any intention of adding constructive criticism to the discussion. They're nothing special, the internet's full of them. And saying 'X is cr*p, because I say so' is indicative of a closed circuit mind, which is of no use to anyone. |
A cosmos without The Doctor scarcely bears thinking about... |
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duralinium1
Chancellor
United Kingdom
520 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2015 : 11:15:59
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OK, I'll give you my reason. The story was unimaginative drivel. In Genesis, the Doctor threatens Davros with death by switching off his life support system.
In this story, DAVROS IS DYING AND THE DOCTOR ACTUALLY TURFS HIM OUT OF THE ENTIRE MACHINE!
I was actually really bored by the story, and Dr Who has been my favourite programme ever since I saw the Enemy of the World, age 6.
The bits with the tank and the 'axe', toe curlingly embarrassingly bad.
I just happen to object to my favourite show being ground slowly into the ground by someone who has grossly outstayed their creative welcome!
I want to like the show, I want to feel the same excitement I did in the past when I heard the music.
And please don't characterise me as some hidebound continuity freak who hates the innovations that every show needs to survive.
I love Capaldi. I loved stories like Flatline and Mummy, but they are few and far between |
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